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J-10
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The Jian-10 (J-10) is a multirole, all-weather fighter aircraft designed for both air-to-air and air-to-ground missions. The aircraft was designed by the Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute (611 Institute) and built by the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) of AVIC. The aircraft has been operational with the PLA Air Force (PLAAF) since 2003. The J-10 is available in the single-seat fighter variant J-10 and two-seater fighter-trainer variant J-10S. A further improved single-seat fighter variant designated J-10B reportedly made its maiden flight in February 2009.
Air-to-Air Mission
For air-superiority and interception missions, the J-10 could carry a mix of medium-range air-to-air missiles (MRAAM), short-range air-to-air missiles (SRAAM) and drop tanks.
Typical air-Superiority and interception weapon configuration:
* 4X PL-11 / PL-12 MRAAM + 2X PL-8 SRAAM + 1X 800ltr drop tank
* 2X PL-11 / PL-12 MRAAM + 2X PL-8 SRAAM + 2X 1,600ltr drop tanks + 1X 800ltr drop tank
The J-10 was the first Chinese-made fighter to have surface attack capability in mind right from the design stage. The fighter is fully capable of all-weather offensive strikes, and could be fitted with a forward looking infrared and laser target designator pod. The AVIC I has displayed a model of the J-10 carrying what were believed to be targeting and navigation pods, which would provide the capability of the J-10 to deploy laser and satellite navigation guided weapons.
Ground Attack Mission
In a typical surface attack mission, the fighter carries up to eight 250kg bombs, along with two drop tanks and two PL-8/9 SRAAMs. Although the PLAAF has already developed the pylon integrated dispenser system (PIDS) that can carry up to six 250kg LDGP bombs for the J-8B fighter and JH-7 fighter-bomber, the similar system has not been seen being equipped by the J-10.
Typical surface attack and interdiction weapon configuration:
* 2X PL-8 SRAAM + 6X 250kg LDGP bomb + 2X 1,600ltr drop tanks + 1X 800ltr drop tank
* 2X PL-8 SRAAM + 2X 500kg LGB + 2X 1,600ltr drop tanks + 1X 800ltr drop tank + laser targeting pod
Powerplant
The J-10 was originally planed to be powered by an indigenous WP-15 turbojet engine, but the engine development plan was cancelled. Instead the J-10 was fitted with a Russian Salyut AL-31F turbofan engine rated at 76.2kN (7,770kg, 17,130 lb) dry and 122.55kN (12,500kg, 27,557 lb) with afterburning. The AL-31F is a high-performance jet engine originally developed for the Su-27, Su-30MK and Su-33 fighters and the Su-34 bomber. The version used by the J-10 is the AL-31FN, a modified variant specially tailored for the J-10. In order to fit the engine into the J-10 airframe, Russia engine supplier made necessary modifications on the AL-31F, including relocating the accessory gearbox to be mounted beneath the engine. Accordingly, the J-10 designer also made modifications on the J-10’s airframe and air intake.
The AL-31FN is built by Moscow-based Salyut Machine Building Enterprise. The development of the AL-31FN was completed in 2000. Between 2002 and 2004, Salyut delivered 54 AL-31FN engines to China, with a unit price of US$3 million. A Russian source also confirmed to Interfax that China was seeking to maintain and repair these engines locally in a Chinese plant.
In July 2005, Russian media reported that the state-owned arms trading company Rosoboroneksport has concluded a US$300 million deal with China for the export of an additional 100 units of the AL-31FN engine to be delivered within the next three years. China also reserved the right to order a further 150 units by 2010, and may consider a licensed co-production.
Salyut has also introduced an improved version of the AL-31FN, featuring a fully variable, all-aspect thrust vector control (TVC) nozzle and an increased afterburning thrust of 124.54kN (12,700kg, 27,998lb). Currently Salyut is actively marketing the engine to China, but it is not known whether this engine will be fitted on future production J-10 fighters.
Shenyang-based AVIC Aviation Engine Institute (also known as 606 Institute) and Shenyang Liming Aero-Engine Group carried on the development of the indigenous WS-10 throughout the 1990s and early 2000s. The revised design, possibly based on some of the AL-31F technology, was known as WS-10A, or “Taihang” in its commercial name. AVIC I announced that the development of the WS-10A was completed in November 2005.
Specifications
Crew: One (J-10); Two (J-10S)
Powerplant: 1X Russian Salyut AL-31FN turbofan
Thrust (dry): 76.2kN (7,770kg, 17,130 lb)
Thrust (afterburning): 122.55kN (12,500kg, 27,557 lb)
In-flight refuelling: Yes
Weapon: 23mm single-barrel cannon
External Hardpoints: 11 (five under the fuselage centerline; six under the wings)
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Fuente:
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/fighter/j10.asp
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Y precisamente abro este tema para discutir sobre que tan conveniente seria su adquisicion (si es que se diese) para la FAP.
The Jian-10 (J-10) is a multirole, all-weather fighter aircraft designed for both air-to-air and air-to-ground missions. The aircraft was designed by the Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute (611 Institute) and built by the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) of AVIC. The aircraft has been operational with the PLA Air Force (PLAAF) since 2003. The J-10 is available in the single-seat fighter variant J-10 and two-seater fighter-trainer variant J-10S. A further improved single-seat fighter variant designated J-10B reportedly made its maiden flight in February 2009.
Air-to-Air Mission
For air-superiority and interception missions, the J-10 could carry a mix of medium-range air-to-air missiles (MRAAM), short-range air-to-air missiles (SRAAM) and drop tanks.
Typical air-Superiority and interception weapon configuration:
* 4X PL-11 / PL-12 MRAAM + 2X PL-8 SRAAM + 1X 800ltr drop tank
* 2X PL-11 / PL-12 MRAAM + 2X PL-8 SRAAM + 2X 1,600ltr drop tanks + 1X 800ltr drop tank
The J-10 was the first Chinese-made fighter to have surface attack capability in mind right from the design stage. The fighter is fully capable of all-weather offensive strikes, and could be fitted with a forward looking infrared and laser target designator pod. The AVIC I has displayed a model of the J-10 carrying what were believed to be targeting and navigation pods, which would provide the capability of the J-10 to deploy laser and satellite navigation guided weapons.
Ground Attack Mission
In a typical surface attack mission, the fighter carries up to eight 250kg bombs, along with two drop tanks and two PL-8/9 SRAAMs. Although the PLAAF has already developed the pylon integrated dispenser system (PIDS) that can carry up to six 250kg LDGP bombs for the J-8B fighter and JH-7 fighter-bomber, the similar system has not been seen being equipped by the J-10.
Typical surface attack and interdiction weapon configuration:
* 2X PL-8 SRAAM + 6X 250kg LDGP bomb + 2X 1,600ltr drop tanks + 1X 800ltr drop tank
* 2X PL-8 SRAAM + 2X 500kg LGB + 2X 1,600ltr drop tanks + 1X 800ltr drop tank + laser targeting pod
Powerplant
The J-10 was originally planed to be powered by an indigenous WP-15 turbojet engine, but the engine development plan was cancelled. Instead the J-10 was fitted with a Russian Salyut AL-31F turbofan engine rated at 76.2kN (7,770kg, 17,130 lb) dry and 122.55kN (12,500kg, 27,557 lb) with afterburning. The AL-31F is a high-performance jet engine originally developed for the Su-27, Su-30MK and Su-33 fighters and the Su-34 bomber. The version used by the J-10 is the AL-31FN, a modified variant specially tailored for the J-10. In order to fit the engine into the J-10 airframe, Russia engine supplier made necessary modifications on the AL-31F, including relocating the accessory gearbox to be mounted beneath the engine. Accordingly, the J-10 designer also made modifications on the J-10’s airframe and air intake.
The AL-31FN is built by Moscow-based Salyut Machine Building Enterprise. The development of the AL-31FN was completed in 2000. Between 2002 and 2004, Salyut delivered 54 AL-31FN engines to China, with a unit price of US$3 million. A Russian source also confirmed to Interfax that China was seeking to maintain and repair these engines locally in a Chinese plant.
In July 2005, Russian media reported that the state-owned arms trading company Rosoboroneksport has concluded a US$300 million deal with China for the export of an additional 100 units of the AL-31FN engine to be delivered within the next three years. China also reserved the right to order a further 150 units by 2010, and may consider a licensed co-production.
Salyut has also introduced an improved version of the AL-31FN, featuring a fully variable, all-aspect thrust vector control (TVC) nozzle and an increased afterburning thrust of 124.54kN (12,700kg, 27,998lb). Currently Salyut is actively marketing the engine to China, but it is not known whether this engine will be fitted on future production J-10 fighters.
Shenyang-based AVIC Aviation Engine Institute (also known as 606 Institute) and Shenyang Liming Aero-Engine Group carried on the development of the indigenous WS-10 throughout the 1990s and early 2000s. The revised design, possibly based on some of the AL-31F technology, was known as WS-10A, or “Taihang” in its commercial name. AVIC I announced that the development of the WS-10A was completed in November 2005.
Specifications
Crew: One (J-10); Two (J-10S)
Powerplant: 1X Russian Salyut AL-31FN turbofan
Thrust (dry): 76.2kN (7,770kg, 17,130 lb)
Thrust (afterburning): 122.55kN (12,500kg, 27,557 lb)
In-flight refuelling: Yes
Weapon: 23mm single-barrel cannon
External Hardpoints: 11 (five under the fuselage centerline; six under the wings)
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Fuente:
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/fighter/j10.asp
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Y precisamente abro este tema para discutir sobre que tan conveniente seria su adquisicion (si es que se diese) para la FAP.
BladeLord- Soldado
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Re: J-10
J-10... bueno es un aparato aun joven, lo puedes conseguir entre 30 a 35 Millones de dolares claro que con entrenamiento, armas, etc, todo el paquete, su operación en teoría debería ser economcia al ser mono motor, pero ese motrosito debe de tragar bastante como todo motor ruso je, ahora habría que ver cuanto demanda el manto por hora de vuelo. Este avión ya tubo dos accidentes, aun es un avión joven, pienso que deberíamos esperar un poco mas para poder analizarlo como una opción real para la FAP, hasta ahora no sabemos mucho en si del avión en cuanto a capacidades y bondades que pueda tener, mas que las especificaciones básicas.
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lobo_pd- Comandante
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Re: J-10
Es un avión multipropósito interesante, pero como dice Lobo es muy joven aún, Recien China posee un centenar, piensa duplicar esa cantidad, Parece que Pakistám comprara´unos 36 aviones parael 2014.......esperar......ver precios y desarrolos tecnológicos, todo apunta a que en unos 20 años China sea la potencia militar.
.Pero podemos ir viendo ventajas y desventajas de este fierro,
Este video al menos lo pinta bien.
.Pero podemos ir viendo ventajas y desventajas de este fierro,
Este video al menos lo pinta bien.
INKAREY- General
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NO ES ACASO EL lavi-chino?.......
CREO que por ahora estamos enfrascados en nuestros proyectos de upgreades de nuestros material actual como para pensar en comprar una nueva plataforma ...aunque parece buena ..
CREO que por ahora estamos enfrascados en nuestros proyectos de upgreades de nuestros material actual como para pensar en comprar una nueva plataforma ...aunque parece buena ..
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k-fir escribió:NO ES ACASO EL lavi-chino?.......
CREO que por ahora estamos enfrascados en nuestros proyectos de upgreades de nuestros material actual como para pensar en comprar una nueva plataforma ...aunque parece buena ..
Bueno el J-10 salio del LAVI, bueno en los vídeos normalmente se pinta muy bien al aparato, pero ahora estamos mas concentrados en la modernización del material ya existente, y posteriormente se empezara a adquirir nuevos juguetes de mas peso, bueno como ya dije antes, lo mejor en mi opinión en este caso es esperar un poco mas con este avión, apenas China es el principal operador, si bien es cierto ya firmo contrato con Pakistán recién en unos años tendrán sus fierros, y bueno aun no se conoce mucho de las bondades y sus debilidades que es un punto importante. Ahora la compra del avión implica un nuevo stock de armas, aunque se podría harmonizar misiles rusos de ser estos compatibles y hablen el mismo "idioma" que el radar, eso seria un gran ahorro tanto monetario como logístico.
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lobo_pd- Comandante
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Re: J-10
Eso si, si en algun momento se llega o piensa adquirir dicho aparato, pues que sea en la version B... aunque por cierto, un punto a favor del aparatito chino es su capacidad de integrar tanto sistemas misilisticos rusos... como israelies (y chinos obviamente). Esto es muy importante, porque le permite a la plataforma ganar en logistica y muchas otras cosas.
BladeLord- Soldado
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Re: J-10
Los Chinos imitan todo, el J-10 ,Tiene alas tipo Delta, con aires al K-fir,tambien le veo un parecido al F-16. Parece un buen fierro el "Aniquilador", presto a enfrentarse A mIG-29 y F-16, y BladeLord tiene razón ,el indicado seríala versión más moderna el J-10B.
INKAREY- General
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INKAREY escribió:Los Chinos imitan todo, el J-10 ,Tiene alas tipo Delta, con aires al K-fir,tambien le veo un parecido al F-16. Parece un buen fierro el "Aniquilador", presto a enfrentarse A mIG-29 y F-16, y BladeLord tiene razón ,el indicado seríala versión más moderna el J-10B.
Bueno como todo avion de combate tiene a lo largo de su vida, distintas sub-variantes. Ahora.. el hecho que tenga buena pinta no quiere decir que sea igual de bueno en combate.... por ejemplo el bombardero ruso TU-95.. no tiene la mejor pinta como un B-1 por ejemplo.. pero es capaz de clavarte un Kh-55 a 2,500km..
Volviendo al J-10, pues si la versión B seria la idónea en este momento, cuando la FAP este buscando por un nuevo caza multiproposito quizás ya halla otra opción disponible en el mercado del J-10.
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